From the relative safety of my blog – I’ve been asked to observe a rather revolting display of forum moderation over in poor old Edna. (remember to scroll to the bottom and read up up up, strange I know).
I was interested to go there and read a CMS vs Blog (is there really a difference?) or Web1 vs Web2 debate. But poor Leonard Low – representing Blogs and netlearning rather well I thought – is left to dangle by a negligent moderator when personal insults and what amounts to flat out bullying are spewed his way. A rather cowardly EdNA group remained silent as Leonard’s robust and clearly referenced arguments are degraded to pointless remarks from more than one person with a clear habit of EdNA forum bullying.
Eventually Leonard let his rigor down and enters the fight, only then to be moderated en-mass by a strange act of mothering. Such poor moderation is only one reason I don’t join in EdNA discussion any more, and is a clear indication as to why networked communications work better than forums. Forums are like a halfway point between mostly shallow instant messaging and verbal conversation and more fully formed dialogue through monologue (such as blogs). I hope Leonard ejects from such degrading experiences of Anglo Saxon grunt and concentrates on articulating his arguments and responses in his blog (which by the way, I think would be improved if he included his EdNA contributions on wider things than just mLearning). Alex Hayes – who is also the victim of unmoderated bullying in EdNA Forums has ejected already – I bet he’ll go back though, and is writing from the relative safety of his blog also.
That’s not to say this particular exchange is all together useless. On the contrary. There are some note worthy points made (mostly from Leonard) that are very useful contributions to the whole debate. Its just a shame that it is brought down by poor moderation and weak contributors who are at a bit of a loss on how to deal with a bully in their ranks.






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December 19, 2006 at 11:36 am
Teaching Generation Z » Forums Or Blogs - Do We Need 2 Make A Choice?
[...] I’ve never really gotten into forums, and getting involved in blogging has made it even harder to engage with that format that has been around now for quite a long time. Today, Leigh Blackall has pointed to an EdNa based forum that’s been brewing for a while complete with flaming, self promotion, one liner put downs and disrespect aplenty. Alex Hayes has put together some thoughts on the same topic. I suppose at least those forums are showing some action. Back over at my own professional association’s EdNa Group (sorry – locked to the outside world) things are quieter than my childhood Christmases on the farm. I’m guilty of not contributing much there but it seems South Aussie educators aren’t really into posting to forums either. [...]
December 19, 2006 at 4:11 pm
Nancy White
Leigh, it happens in blogs too. In wikis. Forums may provide some shadows for people to hide out in, but they are not the only challenge. Walled garden or not. I suspect it will creep into delicious tags and any other form that is offered.
I started to participate on the Edna thread, but pulled back because I did not have the energy for the poison. I am responsible too. Everyone who is subscribed is partly responsible. But I did not step up.
I’ve been drafting a post on this, but haven’t given it the attention and research it deserves to get beyond the obvious. You and Alex have spurred me to get back to work on it.
On the more optimistic side, there is a ton of productive interaction happening in many corners of the net, on many platforms. It just doesn’t get the press, nor does it twinge into our emotions so strongly.
I believe it is worth thinking about and figuring out not just what is going on, but alternate practices to create space for the productive interactions, including space for the theatrics of flamers who enjoy it (and even use it productively), and the intelligence to know the difference.
I suspect the one thing that would make the most difference is if we were all more self aware rather than self indugent. I dream big. That would probably also go a long way towards world peace! In the meantime, I commit to noticing the small, quotidian practices that can be a step along the way.
December 21, 2006 at 5:52 am
leighblackall
Hi Nancy, sorry it has taken me a while to notice your comment – I’m still getting used to this new wordpress blog of mine.
Although flaming and bullying does happen in blogs and wikis, I think it happens less. I could use the example of the FLNW tour held recently here in NZ. During that tour there was a range of communication channels going on, but it was in the email forum that emotions crept in. Thankfully it didn’t degrade to the level of the EdNA forum example, but I thought it was very noticable the different language being used in the shared space. On the personal blogs – and the networked communication between them – it was a different story. Seems that one’s personal space – such as a blog, and the monologue format, might offer the blogger a little more power in the dialog – at least when in their own blogspace.
Related to this topic would be Mark Bernstein’s talk at the 2005 Blogtalk Downunder – where he, amongst other things, pushes us to think about turning off the comments feature of blogs, so as to encourage more networked communication channels to emerge and strengthen…
December 23, 2006 at 3:12 am
Alexander Hayes
> On the more optimistic side, there is a ton of productive interaction happening in many corners of the net, on many platforms. It just doesn’t get the press, nor does it twinge into our emotions so strongly
December 23, 2006 at 3:20 am
Alexander Hayes
Bloody WP dosent like > and
December 23, 2006 at 3:21 am
Alexander Hayes
http://alexanderhayesblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/nancy-white-leigh-blackall.html
December 23, 2006 at 9:11 pm
Nancy White
No worries Leigh. I have trouble keeping up with all my blog threads too.
I wonder if the different behaviors are also linked to different domains. For example, in some tech worlds, the comments on blogs are so bad that I don’t read comments on some blogs. (I’m slowly working on a post on this, but I’m taking it easy over the holidays. That has priority.) It is clearly an issue in political blogs. I also see incredibly productive, generative interactions (including disagreement. I hate it when we confuse civility with muzzling divergent opinions!)
What puzzles me is that I would not peg the education sector as a place of inherent nastiness. This is probably just my personal self delusion.
That said, I just posted on Alex’s blog that it would be great to do an experiment and have some Edna threads public and see what happens.
Only when we walk the talk can we really talk about it, eh?
I don’t know. Has anyone done any careful study on this? It would be really interesting. I worry that my opinions are so biased by my personal experience that the are nearly worthless!
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