I was on my way to work this morning and caught this on the TV before I left. I’ve loaded it to YouTube so others can see it too. It is a brief TVOne Breakfast look at Blogging, specifically the Qantas Media Awards (what a lame website!!).
I think it an interesting insight into NZ Mainstream media perspective of social media. The Breakfast host is your usual self assured, arrogant kind-a-guy that you get on these shows, and I thought he was pretty subdued in his dismissive attitude of blogging compared to other things I’ve seen him have a go at. I think he was distracted by the fella he was interviewing actually, and didn’t want to risk looking silly with all this techy it geek stuff.
After note: Comments made by Caroline, and a few others have taught me lots about the TVNZ and Breakfast website. I was impressed to see that all the shows are recorded and eventually offered as streaming media. I wasn’t able to find the Breakfast recording above, but Caroline found it and offered the following links:
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/tvone_minisite_index_skin/tvone_breakfast_group
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/488124/1028238
http://tvnz.co.nz/cda/tvnz/video_popup_windows_skin/1028307?bandwidth=128k
At the time of adding this note (21st March) the streaming media file didn’t come down with audio, so I’ll keep theYoutube copy up until I see a working version.
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March 18, 2007 at 11:09 pm
leighblackall
Yikes! Don’t tell me Youtube have refused this one!! What about all the others that breach copyright? Maybe its still being processed… have to wait a bit longer to see if the video becomes available. If it doesn’t, I’ll take the audio and link it in instead.
March 19, 2007 at 12:34 am
ed-student
As youtube refused it, are you willing to take the breach of copyright for the audio on your own shoulders?
Why not either:
1) seek permission - that may involve purchasing it. Hey - it has value, they are quite within their rights to charge money. Or it may involve you being told “no”. It is THEIR material, show some respect if that happens.
2) link to the item on tvnz site - if its there
March 19, 2007 at 1:25 am
Leigh Blackall
If it was online already I certainly would be linking to it. I have already linked to all that I found available. Would I risk making the audio? I wonder if it would be theirs if I did? I mean, as it is now, arguably I was shooting a video of my TV… it includes my wall, coffee table, CD case and other things and it just so happens the Breakfast show was on. The audio even has my wind chimes in it - who owns that! The wind?… who owns this? They do of course. That sux, because all I want to do is share an experience I had this morning. The same way I do when I talk about it with my colleagues at work etc. Who’s losing here? I guess they are losing some control - but seriously - don’t they lose that the second it is broadcast free to air? The way I see it, they are gaining more than they are losing..
Anyway, I think all that is on Youtube clearly shows that fighting copyright is a lost cause. The benefits of having snippets saved for posterity and shared experience should be clear.
I see the video is available now
March 19, 2007 at 1:28 am
Leigh Blackall
as an example of how stupid copyright can get - watch this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=5SaFTm2bcac
March 19, 2007 at 8:56 am
John Connell
Leigh,
Do you know who the pundit was here, the guy being interviewed?
John
March 19, 2007 at 9:11 am
Leigh Blackall
Paul Reynolds! Turns out I’ve been subscribed to his blog few a while now!! Thanks for prompting me to find out
March 19, 2007 at 9:28 am
ed-student
you TEACH that approach to copyright?
Yes that is a breach of copyright. People are regularly prosecuted for doing just that, especially when secretly videoing movies.
You don’t own the recording of someone else’s work. Not even if it’s got your stuff within it.
I am truly shocked that someone teaching online education takes this view.
March 19, 2007 at 10:40 am
Leigh Blackall
Oh please! No I don’t teach people to breach copyright, quite the opposite - I teach people how to use GPL and CreativeCommons (copyleft). In this case however, I thought it important, and so wanted to put it up. If I am requested to take it down by the owner, I will. Did you watch that other video as a matter of interest?
March 19, 2007 at 11:09 am
Chris Harvey
You unknowingly violate the the GFDL as well by copying peoples work and relicencing it under cc licenses, lol. Its not just a concept Leigh, its copyright law.
Come to Wikiversity IRC channel sometime, its much easier teaching these things using instant communication.
March 19, 2007 at 10:07 pm
paul reynolds
I suppose that being a party to be video gives me some kind of invitation to comment here.
First up - thanks for the kind wishes.
Two points - the whole intersection between informal/folksonic web 2.0 type content - and the formal authorative practices of old style media - knowledge management - et al is an area that interests me greatly.
yu can also see a lot of this thinking in the National Library draft digital strategy - where the emphasis is on both discovering - using - sharing and creating content.
see http://www.digital-strategy.govt.nz/templates/Page____116.aspx
There are also some interesting research papers on this at
http://www.digital-strategy.govt.nz/templates/Page____120.aspx
As for the tvnz video - I guess the easiet way to avoid any doubt on copyright etc is just to link direct to the item from the web site - they have a policy of having the clips up on line by mid morning ?
On the Creative Commons licence - it is my understanding that it would be up to tvnz and me to release the clip into the commons - a third party can’t do this on my behalf ?
March 20, 2007 at 2:20 am
leighblackall
Hi Paul,
I searched TVOne for “Paul Reynolds” - interesting results but none on this. “Qantas media awards” - boring results. And then “Blogging” which yielded some interesting results, but no Paul Reynolds…
I’ll try and keep an eye out for it. I wonder what YouTube would say if TVOne uploaded their clips to there as well as their own site? I know where people would more likely see it at the moment.
March 20, 2007 at 2:28 am
leighblackall
Hey Chris,
I don’t think I have violated GFDL, because the license on this blog says: “All original work…”
But I know I know already! Can people stop painting me as ignorant of copyright! On the youtube page for the movie I said: “Risking copyright here.. if its a problem just let me know and I’ll take it down. I think it was an important enough article on Breakfast show this morning, that it was needed here on YouTube as an archive of sorts.”
What I really wanted to do was show others a recording of something that was on TV. This hangup on copyright is causing us to loose site of the intent here.
If I receive a cease and desist, I’ll take it down immediately. If TVOne make their recording available, I’ll link to it. Or if someone else uploads it to YouTube I’ll link to that!
And there it is. If I hadn’t mentioned in this post would you have just thought I had loaded in someone else’s YouTube clip?
March 21, 2007 at 1:13 am
Caroline Anderson
Hi Leigh,
If I understand correctly, you had trouble finding the Paul Reynolds clip about blogging on the TVNZ Web site? The best way I have found is to go to http://www.tvnz.co.nz and type in the keyword breakfast and then choose the Breakfast programme for Monday mornings and scroll down the list of items until you find the one in which Paul is mentioned, then click on to it. (Not sure why TVNZ does not have a better advanced keyword search function than that - at least I don’t think they have).
Best wishes,
Caroline Anderson
March 21, 2007 at 1:36 am
leighblackall
Hi Caroline,
Thanks for this advice, I am really learning a lot about TVNZ and the Breakfast show website. I wasn’t expecting to have access to video recordings like this, but alas it seems their archive is only up to 14 March.
I’ll try to remember to check back next week for the recording. The moment it is up, I will remove the offensive YouTube video.
March 21, 2007 at 9:49 am
Caroline Anderson
Hi again, Leigh,
Don’t look at the Breakfast Archive. Instead look at the left hand side of the page and click on the March 19 date (the one with the heading about the Lahar), then scroll down the resulting page until you see the heading IT News which has the info. about Paul Reynolds talking about blogging, then click on the link below that to watch the video. I have put the links below, which might make it easier to track where I am going (the very last one is the video itself):
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/tvone_minisite_index_skin/tvone_breakfast_group
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/488124/1028238
http://tvnz.co.nz/cda/tvnz/video_popup_windows_skin/1028307?bandwidth=128k
I have decided to save the Breakfast home page so it is easy to click on to each Monday’s programme to watch what Paul has to say each week (he is usually on every Monday, but occasionally there is another commentator.)
Regarding the comments made earlier about the interviewer, Paul Henry. I like to think Paul Henry is just playing devil’s advocate when he makes some of the dismissive statements he does, e.g. the one about blogging. (He also asked a similar question recently about libraries being “obsolete” now that we have Google and everyone has personal computers and Internet access when he was interviewing an overseas guest. At first I thought he was seriously suggesting this, but I think he was really asking a question about the relevance of libraries in today’s world.). I like to think Henry actually has more intelligence than to believe these suggestions but his role is perhaps to second guess some of the viewers’ reactions or questions to the issues being discussed.
By the way, this blogging thing is fun! I am new to it, (in terms of signing my name to my comments anyway) but thought I would take the plunge and contribute openly.
Best wishes,
Caroline Anderson
March 21, 2007 at 10:23 am
leighblackall
Hi again Caroline, thanks for coming back. Your comments are really good. I dunno about Henry, the library comment is interesting, but the few times I watch Breakfast, I don’t see him second guessing viewers, but paroting the main line. But I’ll watch more closely from now on C. I hear what you’re saying, and I shouldn’t be so harsh on him - he (and NZ TV generally) is miles better than all Australian commerial telly.. miles! And I know I couldn’t do his job, that’s for sure.
Thanks for mapping out the links. Unfortunately the streaming media file’s sound didn’t come through… I’ll try again tomorrow. The second I get a good signal, I’ll take down the YouTube vid. In the meantime, I’ll add your links to the main post.
You Blog Caroline? What’s your URL?
March 23, 2007 at 12:15 am
col
Even if there are copyright issues here, isn’t this just a reflection of the fact that copyright law is behind the times.
It seems a classic example of fair use to me - there are no (apparent) inferences that you have produced this material nor are you trying to profit from it, surely these should be the important factors.
It’s not as though TVNZ is losing advertising revenue because the audience is going to tune in to this blog rather than watch the programme live.
March 23, 2007 at 1:58 am
leighblackall
Thanks Col!
what a relief I’m not the only one who thinks like that!!
March 23, 2007 at 5:19 am
Caroline Anderson
Hi Leigh,
Being a newbie, I have used the word blogging to mean contributing to a blog, when in fact I guess it really means creating and maintaining a blog (Wikipedia thinks so anyway). I am not sophisticated enough to have my own blog and according to paul reynolds there are 60 million blogs already, so I think that is probably quite enough for now ;-)) I wonder what the word for contributing to a blog is?
I thought I should add something about Paul Henry’s question a few weeks ago about libraries being obsolete: the fact is that Google, PCs and the Internet have actually made libraries even more relevant today than ever before, in my opinion. Google is great, but it is not the only method of finding information and, as anyone who has used it knows, finding what you really want via Google is not always easy. Not everyone has a PC and some people cannot afford one even if they want one. This is where libraries really come into their own in the digital age: Librarians are trained to help people use Google and all sorts of other tools to find the information they want without wasting lots of time. Librarians can help people to discern which information is authoritative and valid (as we all know just because information is “out there” on the Internet does not mean it is true or up to date, etc.) Public libraries in New Zealand offer Internet access (although some charge a small fee, and some limit the free access to certain Web sites). This service is great for people who do not own a PC. Public libraries provide instruction on how to use the excellent databases they make available to members, for example, have a look at the databases provided by Christchurch City Libraries:
http://library.christchurch.org.nz/Databases/
In my opinion, public libraries are the key to one of our country’s biggest problems, i.e. the digital divide and the problem of the rich and the poor in terms of access to information and knowledge. How many people could afford to subscribe to the encylopedias or magazines, etc. in the CCL databases?
I often think of the example of one of our best-known Prime Ministers , Norman Kirk, who left school at 13 and educated himself via public libraries. If he had not had access to libraries, I wonder whether or not he would have become Prime Minister:
http://www.dnzb.govt.nz/dnzb/default.asp?Find_Quick.asp?PersonEssay=5K12
Kirk’s example is as relevant today as it was then and perhaps more so because of the impact of technology. There is a danger that people without Internet access will be left behind unless they become aware of public libraries and the fact that they no longer contain just books. Of course public libraries are also fun, vibrant places these days and are used for leisure - some of them even have cafes.
I will get off my soapbox now, but I just wanted to share my thoughts about the relevance of public libraries in New Zealand.
By the way, on the subject of Paul Henry again, here is a link to a Listener article which gives an insight into what he is all about:
http://www.listener.co.nz/issue/3476/features/7751/close_up_personal.html;jsessionid=695A9DBD1F40E996341EE3C0991011FB
Best wishes,
Caroline Anderson
March 23, 2007 at 8:30 am
leighblackall
Well Caroline, you clearly should start a blog. What you are doing here is commenting, but you are commenting in what essentially should be a blog post. You are generously giving me a massive amount of your own words and links, when you would be better posting it to your own blog (with reference to mine) where we sustain a conversation from our own blogs.. does this make sense? Some people call it connectivism.
60 million blogs means nothing! And that’s the comment that Paul made that gave me the shits. Just because there are many, doesn’t translate into many good ones. And i have the feeling that you have the energy to maintain one more good one.