The problem with wikis is that they require people to remember to contribute, stop what they’re doing, go to the wiki, click edit and retype what they wrote somewhere else already, such as in a blog, email, or other media upload somewhere else. I really hate it when I upload an image to my preferred image host (Flickr) then have to re-upload it if I want to use it in a wiki. And what about this blog post? As I write I’m thinking about how I might put it on the wikieducator discussion pages I’m involved in… I think I’ll just add a link there and point to this post.
George Siemens puts an interesting thought across – that wikis will get better long term use than blogs.. personally I don’t think so – I think most people find it easier to collaborate with themselves then they do with others, and the long term experience with wikis might annoy them so much that they return to blogging and rely on the network connections to aggregate some form of collaboration.
And that leads me to my vision for Wikieducator (and wikis generally) – the aggregation of individual efforts and then the collaboration.
So far wikispaces is way ahead with this idea. Long ago wikispaces made it possible to add an RSS feed to a page, to be able to add to a wiki through blogging AND to embed media like Youtube vids, Frappr maps and other services that offer embed code for redistribution. This is certainly one level of aggregation I would like to see in a media wiki platform like Wikieducator.
Imagine, you’re starting from scratch with a blank page in wikieducator.. your topic is.. oh, I dunno – the weather… instead of having to enter in text, upload images, rejig the structure and even break out new pages as the first page gets too huge.. instead of that (or as well as) you could add an RSS feed, such as a Del.icio.us tag, or a YahooPipe feed, or a Technorati search result, or the weather reports from 5 capital cities… imagine you could also embed a documentary video from GoogleVids, a popular tsunami video from youtube, a preview of An Inconvenient Truth, and even an old 1950’s B&W weather report from Internet Archive. Imagine that after embedding that media you managed to organise text based transcripts to be loaded in for the dial up users who can’t watch this broadband media. Now you’ve peppered the text and media with a few FlickrCC images and your page is about ready. It took you less then an hour, you have an incredibly rich page, you’re ready for ‘class’, and ready for further collaboration from all the people who’s media you just sampled – remember, its a wiki 😉
All of this is possible with Wikispaces already, but as much as I like wikispaces – I want to get into mediawiki and Wikieducator. Why? well there’s a few reasons – one is so the wikitext I/we create is reusable across other mediawiki installs such as our own if we ever install one. Another reason is because I am interested in the Commonwealth of Learning and the services they can offer in facilitating links across many national borders. The other is because wikieducator is focusing NOT just on educational content, but on improved communication channels to support the use of that content… Apart from those very brain centred reasons, its a gut instinct.
But my vision goes further than just getting Wikieducator’s mediawiki platform up to speed with the likes of wikispaces and content aggregation and media embeding.
Take Shaggy’s Training Packages Unwrapped (TPU) project. An incredible solution to the unusable formats that the Australian National Training Information Services (NTIS) uses to express Australian training unit standards. If you take a look at the TPU proof of concept you will see that TPU extracts key content out of NTIS unit standards and displays them in HTML with the option to extract in a number of other formats – including mediawiki text!! So take this project and apply it to many other forms of syllabus documents that almost always come in .doc, .pdf or .rtf formats and never in wikitext! and we have a short cut way of getting skeletal content like learning objectives and the like into a place like Wikieducator.
Now take a New Zealand project like eXe. eXe was formally a tool for creating SCORM compliant and XML content for reuse in Learning Management Systems and the like. It was probably designed for more than that, but when I first saw eXe back in 2005 I saw LMS tool and looked the other way. Now the project is aligning with the Wikieducator project and could conceivably be used to extract content from the wiki and reformat it ready for print. It could do the reverse as well, reformatting word processor files into wikitext ready for upload into Wikieducator as well, just like TPU can do.
Back to the aggregation inside a media wiki.. one-way aggregation is only half useful. Being able to quickly and easily compile an information piece on a wiki page from a variety of already existing information and media is great, being able to then quickly edit and add your own information around that media is even better, but to be able to dynamically export that page in true Web2 fashion would be the bomb! If each page had some form of XML with a simple step of copying a line of code and pasting it in another context so that the wikipage would redisplay on a blog, an LMS (gawd help us!) a straight website, a start page or even another wiki.. well, that would just be tops! Not just a snap shot of the wiki (we could just use eXe export features for that, but an always up to date version dynamically updating itself via RSS or something. What this would enable would be amazing. Similar to being able to display youtube vids in different contexts, but we are enabling the display of aggregated and wikified content in other contexts, where that context’s style sheet and presentation can lay over the content and make it appear native! So not only do we have open content (as in free access) but we have multiple pathways to the source as well! free and open source content on every level.
As I’ve pointed out before, Wikieducator are proactive on these things. They saw the need for better communication channels to support the content, so they introduced Instant Messaging channels. I’m informed that their IM works fine with Skype, hopefully it works with GizmoProject as well. So we potentially have VOIP in their too. Content alone is not much help to those who are trying to learn. Access to communication with others is what counts, so the provision of Instant Messaging and even Voice over IP channels for every page or content type would really kick arse. Volunteers like me who have a stake in a number of pages could list their preferred live communication channel, and the wikieducator page would be able to show whether that person was online and available, and facilitate messages between people through that page. Still on improving communication around specific content, Wikieducator has also recognised the cumbersome discussion platform of mediwiki and should be implementing threaded and slightly more graphically enhanced discussion soon as well, based on the Liquid Threads development.
So that about somes up my vision/wish list for Wikieducator.
- Two way aggregation and re-contextualisation
- Embedded media of all types
- Download and upload to and from static formats like word processor documents, PDFs and other text files.
- Good synchronous and asynchronous communication channels with every page
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March 15, 2007 at 3:26 am
George Siemens
Hi Leigh – hope things are well… just a quick reaction to your comment: “George Siemens puts an interesting thought across – that wikis will get better long term use than blogs.. personally I don’t think so – I think most people find it easier to collaborate with themselves then they do with others, and the long term experience with wikis might annoy them so much that they return to blogging and rely on the network connections to aggregate some form of collaboration.”
Of course, as with any prediction, I could be tremendously wrong :)…and the joys of technology may well re-write the notion of wikis and blogs that they won’t exist in their present state for very long, making the wiki/blog discussion moot. With those qualifiers in place, my sense that wikis will exceed blog use stems from the notion that everyone can contribute to a group or network (i.e. collaborate), but not everyone has the urge/confidence/desire to broadcast. Consider your blog – you have a certain personality and ability to write in a clear, engaging manner…and that draws readers who may not know you personally. You have created a reputation for yourself based on your blogging activities. Not everyone has the same interest to blog and be transparent with their thoughts. For myself, I’ve come across posts I wrote a few years ago, and can’t help but ask “What was I thinking back then??” Transparency, with regard to technology and the internet, equals permance – it’s recorded/archived somewhere. And that is unnerving for many.
While hardly conclusive, I’ve had a few conversations lately within U of Manitoba…and at recent conferences…and I’m finding that people who would never blog are actually quite involved with wikis. One individual – a senior member in her institution – explained how she used wikis to collaborate and create a national report with individuals from across the country. Another mentioned the use of wikis to collaborate with researchers. In our dept at U of M, we have individuals (who have zero interest in blogging) actively involved with wikis.
I may be framing the blog/wiki notion incorrectly, but my current view holds that not everyone is a blogger. Everyone, however, is a collaborator.
March 15, 2007 at 3:34 am
leighblackall
Hi George,
I do find it an interesting proposal, and have to concede that I observe the same this end. eGroups, threaded forums, email, and even wikis do seem to win the attentions of many people who are not attracted to blogging for the very reasons you highlight.
I think I am guilty here of using your prediction to lever my real intention of this post – the need for aggregation in wikis.
I’m wondering though.. would 10 people blogging be worth more than 10 people in one wiki? Overly simple comparison I know, but I’m just thinking about it in terms of your own ideas in connected knowledge, and distributed meaning – assisted by better technology like aggregation and search..
March 15, 2007 at 4:10 am
Wayne Mackintosh
That’s a compelling vision! It encapsulates much of our thinking within the WikiEducator community in exploring innovative ways to refine Mediawiki software for educational purposes.
On the rss front, we’ve just installed an extension on WikiEducator that enables users to aggregate news feeds. A small step – but we’re moving forward! See here for a test example (http://www.wikieducator.org/IRC_Bulletin) – click on the edit tab to reveal the syntax. You will also find instructions here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Alxndr/RSS .
We’re holding a Tectonic Shift Think Tank gathering in Vancouver (mid April) to explore opportunities to refine MW software for e-Education. I would love to link you via teleconference so you can convey this ideas to the team who are working on the road map for the future.
We’ll be posting a list of “discussion” items on WikiEducator pretty soon.
Keep thinking about the future – and help us achieve it!
Cheers
Wayne
March 15, 2007 at 4:29 am
leighblackall
Very cool Wayne!! I just added it to my profile page: http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Leighblackall
Was a snap! Will look into ways to limit the feed display to 5 or so.
Count me in for the teleconference. I’ll help in any way I can.
March 15, 2007 at 4:37 am
Wayne Mackintosh
No worries,
There is a way to limit the feed display – check out the usage subheading under the Source section – http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Alxndr/RSS
Haven’t had a chance to get some help pages up – its hot off the press!
Great – glad you can join us via teleconference for the Think Tank.
March 15, 2007 at 5:30 pm
Chris Harvey
On my Mediawiki install you’ve been able to do the things you mentioned for quite a while, long before you could do them with wikispaces, theres not much collaboration on wikispaces, you still have an account on my Wiki though I don’t think you ever used it.
On LearnScope Wiki you can do most of those things, we have the Skype extension installed and some other useful extensions.
On Wikiversity we’ve had irc and Voip for quite a while now.
March 16, 2007 at 7:18 am
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March 18, 2007 at 6:34 pm
missprofe
I guess I am confused, as a recent post on my own blog confirms.
As I understand it, wikis are collaborative tools. So, therefore, why are teachers using wikis as quasi-web pages? Who is it that is to go onto that particular wiki and change/alter/add/subtract/etc.? When I think of a wiki, I think of Wikipedia. If a teacher, or anybody else, for that matter, wants a place and a space to advertise/announce, why not just have a webpage.
Like I say in my post, tools like wikis and blogs are being used to satisfy uses for which they weren’t originally intended, which for me adds to the confusion that not only I have, but I am sure to that of other teachers as well.
March 18, 2007 at 9:49 pm
Leigh Blackall
Hi MissProf, I tried to find the blog post you mentioned, but your comment only links to your blog’s home page and not to the post you mentioned. I scanned but couldn’t find anything obvious enough. Could you link us to the post directly?
I think you maybe focusing on the technical aspects too much here, as what I propose doesn’t exclude or change the original function of the wiki – all it does is make it easier to load initial content into it. Once existing content has been placed in it, then the collaborative editing begins around it.
So, you might want to just load in 3 Google videos and have a group of people work on a synopsis for each video using the wiki. You might even want to use the wiki to transcribe the videos for later translation… the point is with this is that you where able to embed media from other locations instead of having to copy it and upload it into the wiki.
The reason I want to do this on a wiki is for the very reason you speak to – the wikipedia example – being able to collaborate or redit quickly and easily.
March 18, 2007 at 11:56 pm
missprofe
Hi, Leigh.
The post is entitled,
My Head Hurts.
BTW: Your response helps a lot.:) Thank you.
March 20, 2007 at 2:27 am
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April 12, 2007 at 6:01 pm
Chris Harvey
Kiora,
Hope your presentation is going well.
April 13, 2007 at 3:41 pm
Alan Tortolani
I’m new to this blog, so I’ll introduce myself. I’m an integrated technology teacher with a professional background in web development. I’m interested in collaborative software and how it relates to my present studies about learning organizations (Peter Senge). I’ve noticed a strong correlation and its very exciting to me.
Anyway, about wikis, I tried to introduce them to my staff in a middle school and I have run into a similar problem. Teachers tend to use the wiki to create static webpages, rather than collaborative pages.
At first I thought this was a technical problem, and that staff needed more training. I held professional developments, and had some success. However most reverted to using the wiki as a one way static webpage. I think that the problem stems from mental models – deeply rooted beliefs and assumptions. Teachers for a long time have been closing the door and doing there own thing. I think they have a difficult time being transparent, opening themselves up to feedback, etc. In conclusion, before we can dismiss the wiki as something teachers will not use correctly, we should consider some training in organizational learning.
April 13, 2007 at 7:13 pm
Leigh
Hi Alan, nice to meet you.
I completely agree! There are things that are certainly embedded in teacher culture, and will be very hard to change in the short term. I also like to think though, that the questioning of that culture is higher that it has ever been – and it is technology like wikis, and the Internet more widely that has empowered that questioning. Not to say these questions haven’t already been asked, but that they are empowered – and that may cause significant change. So, while it is training that will help that change, I think it more determined by technological developments and the subsequent popularity of those technologies in everyday life.
May 5, 2007 at 12:22 pm
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