We have a project brewing here to create an image database for the Art School. Logically this project needs to eventually scale to other departments as well. Apart from the technicalities of meta data, resources such as storage, and sustainability such as who maintains and backs it up – as always, copyright is a problem. The Art School has thousands of slides they want to scan in and make available to their staff and students digitally, and questions arise on the effects a closed or open database would have on the copyrights of third party (stuff we don’t own).
Funnily enough, it seems to me that the solution to the problem is not to create our own image data base, but to use an already existing database such as Wikimedia Commons. Apparently up to half of the images that we might need to use in the Art School are already available on Wikimedia Commons, including some images that are copyrighted, and the InstantCommons project looks set to increase that number of resources like images. Interestingly it seems that Wikimedia Commons is accepting copyrighted works under USA legislation of Fair Use – which from what I can tell is a bit easier to use educationally than our own legislation here in NZ.
Based on a statement included with a copyrighted image on Wikipedia, perhaps it is felt that if the copy is low enough in resolution to not warrant a faithfully replicable copy, or if a copy that could not effectively reproduce in original scale and in detail, or a copy that could not be used commercially to any great degree, is potentially OK to exist on a Wikimedia project based on the US’ fair use. Interesting example based on a low rez copy of a Clyford Still painting…
Also of interest is the Bridgeman vs Corel which a staff member on our image database project has pointed to. In this case, a court has found in favour of a corporation that made copys of a museum’s images of Public Domain works. The Museum claimed that they had put a lot of work into their scans to ensure acuracy, but that claim worked against them because their scans therefore lacked originality and so they couldn’t claim copyright… how would this play out in NZ we wonder? Does it need to play out in NZ if the image is hosted on Wikimedia Commons? Could this extend to copyrighted images we wonder…
I called my mate Stewart Cheifet at archive.org for his take on it all, and through a bit of discussion put it down to this, low resolution, not making money (or fair use), all reasonable steps, no worries [my wording]. I like the refreshing clarity. I would worry more if we had our own database to maintain, but perhaps Wikimedia commons is more clearly these fair use things and so we have a better bet there…
So, what of our image database project? I reckon we should work towards the bigger projects like Wikimedia Commons and help improve that open and very usable database. We should be able to load high rez jpg to the commons for works that we have copyright clearance for – we may even find that a large percentage of the images that we need are already there! As for images that we don’t have clearance on, it seems that being an educational institution we can claim fair use under US law if we load low rez versions and details, the question is do we fall under US or NZ law if we use US services? [I think it is US law regardless – they do after all have the bigger guns and trade “agreements”]. Seeing as we only intend to use these images in research and learning – we probably don’t have a lot of need for high rez images – especially if we include detail images for close ups and the like when we need them (instead of high rez full works). Wikimedia Commons uses a MediaWiki platform which has an excellent range of metadata fields not to mention a proven ability to maintain itself through collaborative editing. Use of Wikimedia Commons dramatically reduces our costs of installing, running and maintaining our own system. Does this stack up?
Of course we would still need to set up a basic internal system for original scans etc. Like a library back up in case we lose access to Wikimedia Commons. Hopefully we would also use a MediaWiki internally so as to remain compatible with the likes of the Commons. But we should ensure flexibility in what database we primarily use, we might want to use Archive.org later down the track if they get a good image database engine up and running, and so the openness of the commons gives us a fair amount of that flexibility for the meantime.
So as always it seems to make more sense to work in with existing projects rather than “reinvent the wheel” as the saying goes. Trouble is that in education, that saying seems to only extend as far as what your neighbour department is doing and not to a more national or even global scale… building our own is reinventing the wheel I reckon.
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October 18, 2007 at 8:21 am
brent
Using WikiCommons is a great idea and especially if the InstantCommons extension gets to a usable stage shortly; this would mean that your own WikiMedia install can pull in the resources in the Commons fairly seemlessly. Plus, more kudos to Otago Poly for sharing their stuff – which is something you won’t get if all locked away in database somewhere in the South Island.
October 22, 2007 at 7:20 pm
donhx
I find many of your comments worrisome because they do not reflect reality. For example, many educators look upon Wikipedia a cesspool of misinformation (even primary students are banned from using it as a resource in the US) because “anyone” can edit it. As a result it is filled with bias, misinformation and has hundreds of thousands of undocumented statements, by Wikipedia’s own admission. To suggest that the Wikipedia Commons is a good image database is absurd. Wikipedia may have a high-minded statement about their use of images, but it is likely they are only a fence, in many cases, passing on images stolen and uploaded by others.
Your view on fair use reflects “Googleplex” ideas, that is, infringe on the copyright of millions of people in small snippets under the guise of “fair use” and make $1 billion each quarter doing it. The Googleplex (which includes unrelated sites like Wikipedia and organizations like Creative Commons) tells the common person that literary and artistic work should be free, yet they themselves create no content, but make billions off the work of others without compensating them. That is why Google is being sued by the Author’s Guild, publishers and film studios. I believe Google will suffer when these cases start going to court. Copyright is a franchise given to an author to protect his or her work from exploitation by others, and, like many other creators of content, I believe Google is going to incur record fines for not paying authors for using snippets in searches that generate huge ad income.
In your post you say “we can claim fair use under US law,” but that is a rather uniformed and naive approach to take. First, NZ is a sovereign country not subject to the laws of any other country. That door swings both ways. It is Googleplex thinking that you believe you can pick laws, ala carte, to get a free ride for the Art School. If your images are hosted on a NZ server, you must abide by NZ laws. If you are going to rationalize theft of intellectual property by referring to US laws, then perhaps you ought to check the law in Bangladesh, as they are probably even more lax. However, you misunderstand the nature of “Fair use” in the US. It is not a license to steal, it is only a possible legal defense if you are caught stealing. There is a huge amount of case law supporting this view, and this is why Google will be running into trouble in upcoming lawsuits.
Copyright is NOT a problem. The problem is people who believe everything belongs to everyone. Some day your art students will create great art, and would like to make a living at it so they can create more of it. But it may not be possible to live off your images because people will be stealing them for their own pleasure or financial gain. The reality is, everyone should be paying license fees for creative work, as is done with music licensing now. It is right and it is fair. Creative Commons is a bad organization, in my view, because they subvert the idea of “fair trade’ between writers, artists and those who wish to license their work for pay. A Creative Commons license shouts, “My work is worthless.”
October 23, 2007 at 9:14 am
Leigh
Some interesting points there donhx, I appreciate the time you’ve taken to help me think this through. I agree with you that trying to use copyright laws from different countries is more than a bit questionable, my main reason for talking about that was because of the legal cases I point to, and to have a little dig at US “free” trade negotiations that seem to be successfully pulling many “sovereign countries” into line with their/your perspective on property and ownership.
Your general dismissal of Wikipedia and the Wikimedia commons is a very disappointing position you take. I think it reflects on you more than Wikipedia actually. Either you spend very little time analysing the content and research of the Wikimedia Foundation projects, or you choose to ignore the opportunities to correct the errors you see – even if you made just one or two corrections if your time is limited, (the edit button is right there).. its a small gesture, a bit like dropping a dollar in a bucket to help the poor. The time you have taken to write here could have corrected at least 2 of the errors you say plague Wikipedia. I think you need to appreciate that (for better or for worse) Wikipedia rates in the top 10 most visited websites. If what you believe is true then you NEED to set the records straight starting now, where the people are reading, or the guardians of truth and justice will disappear into a elite club somewhere with a difficult to maintain website rating at 19877349390203987.
I’m familiar with your arguments against Creative Commons. It is confusing to mix the exploits of big corps with the advantages to small creators. I think the info page on CreativeCommons.org does enough to explain the advantages of the CreativeCommons to individual creators. It can actually protect original works from being used by big corps like Murdoch’s Myspace etc. You should try to write to your own standards I think, and present a balanced and referenced argument. I hope you’ll try again. I’d appreciate a few references to things that you think represent your views well.
October 25, 2007 at 10:08 am
brent
“Copyright is NOT a problem. The problem is people who believe everything belongs to everyone.” donhx.
Well, this depends on whether you wish to, for whatever reason, maintain the status quo of an “industrial” information economy that is based on proprietary models and spoke-and-hub delivery mechanisms that separate out production from consumption, or feel that contesting this paradigm is beneficial to a society that often seemed hopelessly gripped by corporate control over culture and knowledge because of arcane legalalities like copyright and IP law in the first place. Personally, I’m all for new strategies of cultural production that make their outputs freely available for use and input into future innovation cycles — to me this is where society and culture can grow in far more emergent, sustainable, and organic ways than it has in the past 100 years; and it would be a terrible shame to make student artists think that their contributions are worthless because they have made available certain rights over their work to the wider base of society and other artists . It sounds to me that you’re still thinking of the ‘artist’ as the romanticized superhuman standing outside of society routine – the music industry seems to be the first to realize that its no longer the artists “work” that is the commodity that is exchanged for capital, its the artist him/herself. Lets start teaching them that.
October 28, 2007 at 3:31 pm
savage hardy
It appears that you are talking about stuff that has dubious provenance/copyright already. So puting it into the dubious mush of wiki commons may be ok. You will be keeping copies anyway…
I wonder if you have considered the extra layer of making New Zealand material surfaced via Matapihi so it can be search in the context of other New Zealand material.
November 12, 2007 at 8:56 am
Virginia
Some very interesting ideas and issues floating around here…
Just wanted to pick up (belatedly) on savage hardy’s comment.
I co-ordinate work on the collaborative website Matapihi (http://www.matapihi.org.nz), which provides access to over 100,000 image and multimedia items from NZ-wide galleries, libraries, archives and museums. Soon also to include access to the online collections of Christchurch Art Gallery.
If you do end up going down the track of creating your own open digital collection for the copyright-cleared material, we’d be happy to work with you to also make it available for search through Matapihi.
Let me know if you’d like more information on this.
November 12, 2007 at 10:21 am
Leigh
Hi Virginia. I am very excited by the NZ initiatives. I hope the coordination with the NZ Digital Content Strategy, and the National Library and Archive can be kept going. Hopefully sources like Matapihi will continue to flourish and find was to become increasingly user friendly. It would be wonderful to be able to restrict a search on your service to works licensed CC BY or free-er. This would streamline our uses of such a database like yours considerably.
I have forwarded your comment onto the librarian in charge of our image library project. Hopefully what ever we do will work in with yours and the other National projects. And hopefully the National projects will start working in with teh International projects more – such as WikimediaCommons andArchive.org
November 3, 2008 at 7:09 am
daveb
Leigh – your legal advice sounds more based on wiki-hope than fact. Check out this recent german case which disregards resolution (there may be better reviews – it’s a result of a quick goobgle) http://www.monstersandcritics.com/tech/news/article_1437010.php/Google_to_appeal_German_thumbnail_copyright_ruling
yes google are appealing – but I would expect any high-level court in the world to reflect on the ruling (and this isn’t the only one)